Neither good nor bad, these cymbals are stagnating in the middle of the hierarchy. With a sound that remains plutt amateur, however, good when used for decision in the studio. Unsuitable for public benefits. Ideal for a first set, because the price is reasonable and the quality price ratio INTERESTED. The best choice as to AA, I advise most budgets levs to choose those AA or HH and HHX for the wealthy. For beginners, the B8 is IDAL